Larry David joins Bill Simmons to discuss Fish in the Dark, the new play he wrote and is performing in, his feelings about the critics of the Seinfeld finale, the chances there will be another season of Curb Your Enthusiasm, and much more.
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Here is a snippet of the conversation:
Bill Simmons: I think we’re going to have a Curb Your Enthusiasm week, just to entice you to have one last season. We’ve actually talked about this in meetings and stuff.
Larry David: Is that right?
Simmons: Yeah. Because now, it’s like, enough time has passed that I don’t totally remember anecdotes like that. It all kind of starts to blend together, and they don’t really show the show that much anymore. I guess they show it on The Comedy Channel, but I think the show, and the characters, and the different situations meant a lot to pretty much everybody who likes laughing when they watch television. But now, it’s going to be 2015 in a month—
David: Yeah, it’s been a while.
Simmons: I’m reading between the lines. It doesn’t sound like you’re doing another season.
David: Like I said?
Simmons: I know, like you said, but the point you made was a really good point.
David: I guess the odds would be against it. I guess, right now, the odds would be against it, probably 6 to 1.
Simmons: Couldn’t it maybe end with one last 90-minute — actually, it wasn’t even 90 minutes — an 80-minute mockumentary that wraps it up? That’s a possibility.
David: Well, you know, I got so much grief from the Seinfeld finale, which a lot of people intensely disliked, that I no longer feel a need to wrap things up.
Simmons: That’s interesting. So you’re still mad about that?
David: I wouldn’t say I’m mad about it, but it taught me a lesson that if I ever did another show, I wasn’t going to wrap it up.
Simmons: Right. What’s interesting is the Internet was around, but not in the form it’s in now. Now, anytime a show ends, it has to turn into this three-week referendum before and after the show about whether they did it right. If they didn’t, people are so upset. It’s a free television show!
David: I think the thing about finales is everybody writes their own finale in their head, whereas if they just tune in during the week to a normal show, they’re surprised by what’s going on. They haven’t written it beforehand, they don’t know what the show is. But for a finale, they go, “Oh, well this should happen to George, and Jerry and Elaine should get together,” and all that. They’ve already written it, and often they’re disappointed, because it’s not what they wrote.
Simmons: What did you think was the most unfair criticism of the Seinfeld finale?
David: I don’t know, because I don’t remember anything specifically.
Simmons: But you were mad about it.
David: I know that people hated it.
Simmons: I don’t think people hated it.
David: They were disappointed. A lot of people were disappointed.
Simmons: I would agree with that.
David: I think people just didn’t like the fact that they wound up in jail, you know?
Simmons: Right, but I think as the years go by, you kind of think about it in the way that all the different characters went in — I remember being disappointed when it happened, but now I like it more than when I watched it.
David: Oh, really? That’s interesting.
Simmons: It kind of did wrap everything up. If you were going to do a season finale that wrapped up the show, that had to have been what it was going to be, where they kind of paid for their sins over the course of the nine seasons.
David: Thank you, Bill! Thank you! Finally!
Simmons: If you remember, for season finales, we were coming off this run of shows that ended like how Cheers did, where it was basically like a Viking funeral, Sam adjusting dead Coach’s painting before he walked out. That’s what people’s expectations were, that it was going to be this emotional ride and then they were going to say good-bye to the characters.
David: Yes, an emotional ride, exactly.
Simmons: You weren’t interested in the emotional ride.
David: No, I was not interested in an emotional ride, and neither was Jerry. No wonder why they would dislike it, yeah. But let me toot my own horn for a second. I thought it was clever to bring back all those characters in a courtroom and testify against them for what they did, and then show those clips, and also for why they even got arrested in the first place. And then to wind up — forget the self-aggrandizement here—
Simmons: No, I’m with you.
David: I thought it was clever.
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